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Men are very vulnerable
in post retirement years.

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Because by and large they’ve been
programmed to work.

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And have-and the job has been demanding
and stressful and dangerous.

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And there is little energy left
for other kinds of pursuits.

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Women, I think it's going to be very
interesting in this age of liberation,

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where more and more spouses divide the
household responsibilities.

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The care of children and the maintenance
of the home.

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I think maybe retirement years
for the future,

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for young men will be different,
and maybe they will be able to survive.

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But for many old people, old males die
within two years of retirement unless they

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have been able to regroup and find other
kinds of interest to give their goal,

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their life goals and purpose.

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Would you agree?

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(Max Roffman)
Oh, I would agree.

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It's important to be…

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(Maggie Kuhn)
You made it because you have a goal.

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And you've been able to make
the transfer from…

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Well, we've made it.

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(Maggie Kuhn)
We've made it.

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Because we do have.

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Yeah, because we have a philosophy and an
outlook which embraces the good

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of humanity.

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And I think it was a point
that you mentioned, that we have to get

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over the idea of what can I get for myself.

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What is best for me as an individual?

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What is best for the community should
be our concern.

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And I find that if you're concerned
with what is best for the community,

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you're doing yourself a favor.

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And I think you remain healthier.

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(Chris Conybeare)
But then we have another problem too.

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Not only are many jobs completely
unrewarding and stress filled and people

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want to get out early.

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But there's the other problem too,
for many people find their jobs rewarding

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and they like them, they're forced
to leave at an arbitrary age.

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It's an enormous social waste.
I was forced to leave at 65.

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I loved my work and I think I'd done
fairly well on the job.

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And I was depressed and very sad
about leaving.

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It's a waste, I think.

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(Max Roffman)
It's a waste of human resources.

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And part of ageism is the assumption
that older people don't learn,

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they can't do the job.

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But the experience shows that older people
make good workers.

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They can be relied upon.

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They're less likely to have
the Monday morning hangover.

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There's less absenteeism.

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And even less use of sick leave
or in some instances, abuse of sick leave.

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It's true they maybe it's slightly slower,
but it's compensated by usually greater

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loyalty and a greater faithfulness
with regard to the job.